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Here's my opinion on the issue: Comic Rips: Doing these, is one of, if not THE best methods of learning the ways of ansi. You learn shaping, shading, how to make a piece appealing, what  works, what doesn't, and all the other little in's, out's, do's and don't's.Not only that, once you get good, you build quite a reputation for  yourself in the scene.. get into the top groups.. everything just becomes  a whole lot more fun. There is however a time, for me at least, where the fun begins to end. Drawing becomes more of a chore than what it should  be. Fun. You hit a point when you know most of the in's, out's, do's and don't's. Every piece you work on, is just like the last. You sit and look at a picture and copy. And copy. And copy. The challenge of reproducing it isn't there anymore.. it just becomes, well, boring. Take for example myself, TaintedX, Filth, 75% of iCE ansi. It's not coincidental that all of our production has been declining.. we've just, hit that point. For some, giving up is the answer. For me, there was another.  Original Pics: Now that I've started getting into doing originals (ie: this one), I've developed a whole new appreciation for ansi, for art, and for a whole bunch of ansi artists. There's a bunch of guys out there drawing all original stuff. There's the big names, like Dieznyik, Konami, Bym, my fellow epic'er Argon. These guys produce visually kickass stuff, but I think aren't given as much praise as they deserve. Drawing originals is a WHOLE lot tougher than doing a comic rip. You have no reference. Shading isn't pre-done for you. Position isn't pre-done for you. Ideas aren't pre-though of for you. You're completely on your own. It's pretty overwhelming, and definately frustrating. I think the majority of people who argue against originals are just being ignorant. "I can't do it, so it sucks." That's the attitude many people seem to take whether they'll admit it or not. Not too long ago, I considered myself an ansi master. I could rip any pic. It seems now though, I consider myself an almost ansi-rookie. It takes balls to make the change over from comic rips to originals. You aren't going to be as good with originals right away as you were with comic rips, maybe not even ever. But I know for myself, hearing someone say "man, that's a cool pic." on one I did myself is a whole lot more gratifying that hearing someone say the same thing about a comic rip. I can't draw things as detailed or exact as the comic rips I did.. hopefully one day they will be. Misc shit I meant to say: Before, I used to compare all ansis on the same scale. I realize now thoughthat while some original pics might not be as visually pleasing as some comic rips, you can't expect them to be. I've changed the way I look at ansis, and like I said earlier, have a whole new appreciation for them. Catch22 is a guy I really think deserves a mention in here. He was really on his way up in the scene.. producing real kickass comic rips each month. Then suddenly one month he switched over to originals, and has been doing them ever since. I'll be honest, the pieces aren't anywhere near as good (not to say they suck) as the comic rips he was doing. Actually, I'm not sure what I'm trying to say here. Just that, I phear catch22. Anyway.. I'm out.  (PS: Catch - consider this my answer to your challenge.) ÄÄ savageCOW [scow@kracked.com] SAUCE00Original Art savageCOW Epic 19990817F8PŽ