This is a different sort of log than the others we included in this month's period.. I've always had these little examples of how the amiga and pc ascii scenes differ, but never really had a nice long running flow of these differences captured in one on-going conversation, until now that is. In this log the amiga people were distraught over Mark Ryder's retirement from the scene (after all, who will think for them now that he's gone?) while Tinyz and I were in pissy moods. Makes for an interesting convo combination anyways. This log came from Tinyz, and I send much love to him for it. During this convo you'll see him using Tubyz for a nick. He wanted me to change it, but I thought it was too cute to change.. ;) For those of you who've never hung around #ascii during 3-6am CST, this is what you've been missing all that time.. #ascii buffer saved on Sun May 18 12:42:01 1997 hi! hiro: i could have figured that out myself =] thats coz he de-opped me last night :) rdm: hehehe. ;) and g0at de-opped him does anyone here have psychic release 5'th pack this month ? tubyz: ahahaa.. ya.. sure wade =] seriously *** tubyz changes topic to "mark ryder's style is wack, yet everyone's on his dick... why?" tinyz: heard theory. err, herd theory that is does anyone in here wanna do a joint? hiro: his shit is like what i was doing in '94 tinyz: I realize tubyz: his style is cool. . and noone i know was on his dick martz: you want to joint with me? =) k-martz : sure, i'll draw some uncolored fonts and you make the color and background :) rdm: how long ya gonna be in canada for ? rdm: And better yet, where in canada are you gonna be? *** G0AT sets mode: +o red-demon wk: six months *** nMANCEr (necrom@ogre.qpt.com) has joined #ascii *** OhjSeven sets mode: +o nMANCEr w00p hiro: bc *** G0AT sets mode: +v nMANCEr Who needs it? rdm: goto Hiro's house I'll give it to 'em hard. [nMANCEr] We are Remorse of ACiD. Resistance is futile. You will be ass laminated. matty: and why are ya going there ? rdm: Yes, give me a shout.. I'm moving to Vancouver this summer.. =) hiro: where do ya live? wk: snowboardin Red Demon. and Enigmatic is just down the way by Seattle Long time no see. hiro: ya.h.. im goin there.. nc how the fuck do you draw a heart in corel draw hi necrom nec baby mart. tinyz! wisekid - find some kts#4 shit, and my style is very similar necrom: could you set my op-flag on goat? .. !chattr red-demon +6 !save rdm: Cool.. we'll have to go for a beer or something. =) hmm raise my pole.. set my flag hehe tubyz: so.. i doubt he ripped it off you nmancer: check this out wise: i'm not saying tht wise: i'm saying that quality-wise (and style wise) it's very similar tubyz: Eh? hiro: cool with me.. hiro: where will you be livin then? tubyz: yeah but thats not the point really.. people don't look up to him for his style if they look up to him at all.. *** G0AT sets mode: +o red-demon wise: "look up" to mark ryder *** _pS_ (canvasemag@132.74.1.225) has joined #ascii what a waste *** red-demon changes topic to "Wear black, Mark Ryder left the scene" *** red-demon sets mode: +l 1981 nc: thank you * Sl33P is away: (autoaway) :%: since: 11:23pm(+40s) - (msg:on/page:on) rdm: Don't think I'm going to get one of the residence apartments (I refuse to live in shared res) on campus, so I'll probably just live around the way in the Kipsilano area of Vancouver, close to the university.. hiro: you dont have an adress already? tubyz: uhm.. well.. the younger gen probably do.. but like he's been round for ages and everyones mates with him.. thats why we think he's cool.. not just for his style or whatever.. altho he was a very good designer pS! *** tubyz changes topic to "mark ryder's style is wack, yet everyone's on his dick... why?" *** nMANCEr (necrom@ogre.qpt.com) has left #ascii tubyz: dont do this wise: hahaha... "he's cool cuz he's got friends" i can't fucking belive it I'VE BEEN AROUND FOREVER rdm: No, I'm not moving until sometime in July/August.. going to be crashing with some friends until I find a place of my own once I go hiro: i'll be round vancouver from september till februari tubyz: well.. you must think your friends are cool right ? i've been in the "scene" since '91 wise: not all of them hiro: well.. we gotto keep in contact then.. so when can arrange somethin in bc rdm: Cool.. yeah, we'll have to keep in a little better touch around when I move.. =] tubyz: and is everyone on your dick ? *** red-demon changes topic to "mark ryder 1995-1997" *** red-demon sets mode: +l 1981 *** _pS_ (canvasemag@132.74.1.225) has left #ascii hiro: i can give you my snail.. here in holland? *** hIRO`81 changes topic to "hiro protagonist 1989-present" hahahaa =P rdm: Sure, that'ld be cool. =] wade: he's not worth it http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/6842 hiro: okay.. i'll give it private.. else i will have all #ascii in my mailbox.. rdm: who's not worth it ? thats tight wade: tubyz rdm: ahh.. alrighty mate :) rdm: hehe, yup. ;) WARSAW REPRESENT! * http://www.graffiti.org/warsawrep tubyz: its only ever been about friendship in the scene, not about style or anything like that. Case Closed. *** tubyz changes topic to "huh!? the colly" wise: you don't get it... you're not the only one on his dick wade wins like 80% of the scene is on his dick when the guy starts a fucking pc/amiga war, or at least tried to tubyz: uhm.. none of us were on his dick, he was an equal.. tubyz: we arent on his dick you arse.. he's a nice guy, and back in the days, peeps were nice to each other, that has got shit to do with bein on ones dick! uh huh so tell me, since you're sitting on it, how big is his dick? medium? small? "petite?" uhm shit, I wish I had a log of this.. this is a convo worth of inclusion in the quad-p pack or something hiro: ask necrom if he's been taking it down :) h0h0 tubyz: and he was rite.. judgin from your attitude tubyz: you dont know shit about the ami scene, and i really doubt you know anything bout ascii in general HOHO yep i've never done SHIT *** nMANCEr (necrom@ogre.qpt.com) has joined #ascii *** OhjSeven sets mode: +o nMANCEr red: kiddo, i started the fucking pc ascii scene cos tinyz is in a hyper mode.. ;) *** G0AT sets mode: +v nMANCEr [nMANCEr] We are Remorse of ACiD. Resistance is futile. You will be ass laminated. Calm down, tinyz. Or I'll spank you. tubyz: what are you tryin to prove here anyway? * Sl33P is away: (autoaway) :%: since: 11:23pm(+40s) - (msg:on/page:on) red: what are you trying to dis-prove? haha tubyz: who cares? whats that got to do with mark ? tubyz: ahh.. a question to answer a question.. how nice Ok. Let's just set this straight: without Tinyz and/or Piromaniak (to a lesser degree), we wouldn't even be here. There would be no PC ascii scene. So Tinyz deserves the utmost respect, even from you amiga guys, or else I'll kill every last one of you. *** nMANCEr (necrom@ogre.qpt.com) has left #ascii fuck, I got a mosquito bite tubyz: im tryin to say that you can atleast respect mark ryder, although you may not entirely aprove with his visions first one of the year nc: and i do respect him.. if he can respect others red: how can i respect someone who fucking a) has no style, so i can't respect his work b) tried to start a pc/amiga war!? fuck tubyz: yeah.. but thats only your opinion on the style.. its ok if you say you don't like it.. but you don't have to say he sucks and all shit about him becoz of it .. tubyz: a) that is totally subjective b) what he said was what he was thinkin, and in a way he was rite .. red: who fucking cares if he was right!? there are 1000s of ways of expressing your opinion that exclude open hostility! tubyz: what he did was what he thought was best, and we stood by him tubyz: i guess you have had to know him personally to understand that what you call "hostility" was just his way of expressing him self red: that is a sorry explanation... tubyz: pourqoui? *** pk^ (envision@mercury.networx.net.au) has joined #ascii * k-martz^ is away: (autoaway) - (msg:on/page:on) red: "you had to know him personally" did you know him personally [pk^] random two bit and shit did you ever take dinner with his family? tubyz: yes i did *** pk^ (envision@mercury.networx.net.au) has left #ascii hey pk there are different levels of "personally" so don't be like that .. did you guys double date? tubyz: i dont have to be havin dinner with his mom to know him you guys don't know SHIT we all wear masks haha *** nMANCEr (necrom@ogre.qpt.com) invites you to join #remorse wade: three hour conversations do it for me rdm: good call tubyz: now thats a lousy argument *** pk^ (envision@mercury.networx.net.au) has joined #ascii [pk^] random two bit and shit we all wear masks, but in front of a computer we wear fucking costumes pk: you leave and join once more and i swear i will bk you *** jdogg is now known as e7irsx2j1 *** e7irsx2j1 is now known as g4klbm9g8 *** g4klbm9g8 is now known as e2qtey7d6 *** e2qtey7d6 was kicked by Paine ([Nick Flood]) !up *** G0AT sets mode: +o pk^ tubyz: thats why mark was kool.. cos he didnt wear no mask or shit he said what he had on his mind really tubz? not if i do it to you first :) pk pk: you know who runs the bot? yO fans *** jdogg (xenion@t9o8p9.telia.com) has joined #ascii ill brb :) pk: where did you get ops from ? :) (pk^): that wouldn't be a good idea. yes noen norske her ? *** dEVO- (ichat@ras-21.wineasy.se) has joined #ascii hehehe prolyl but im a risk taker red: dude, that's bullshit... cheers okay.. although i would luv to continue this conv.. im off *** pk^ (envision@mercury.networx.net.au) has left #ascii red: yeah, run away later matty,... :) tubyz: perhaps.. perhaps we just have differnet views * Sl33P is away: (autoaway) :%: since: 11:23pm(+40s) - (msg:on/page:on) tubyz: just because i cant pay a fuckin 1000 phone bill, doesnt mean im runnin perhaps you will understand them kinda things when you grow up later wade ywe and yer stupid arguments *** red-demon (~_@zphn1-p60.worldonline.nl) has left #ascii like anyone really gives a fuck about ascii i mean it's fun and all but make it into a way of life? kmartz: werd *** k-martz^ was kicked by hIRO`81 (don't insult the artform) *** k-martz^ (martz@slip75.advantis.net.il) has joined #ascii its not about ascii tho, thats what we've been trying to tell tinyz but he doesn't agree.. he thinks its all about style [k-martz^] Hi! I'm in for the fun. basic/fuel/codine no but it is about style i don't insult the artform if it's not at all about style, THEN DON'T FUCKING WASTE MY TIME hiro - i just think it shouldn't cause wars between ppl ascii is an art, and if you treat it as nothing then that's all it'll ever be nothing should hahaha GO HARD dude we need to have more respects ourselves for the artform itself hiro - i don't treat it like nothing i treat it like a hobby, nothing more k-martz: you just said "like anyone gives a fuck about ascii" *** War-Child (nothere@203.29.172.28) has joined #ascii War-Child! that doesn't sound like someone treating it with proper respect, especially as an artist.. never devaluate your own medium.. ever.. wise-k! anyways, there's my two cents, and that's a wrap on the log I do believe.. wise: m'o-soul is dead :( war: i know that :) hiro - yes, but i've known too much grief from ascii wars and politics wise: get the txt file? war: yep hiro - i think everyone should draw for himself, and stay away from politics like yew do like i do no now wise: sad... and also grand royal is gone :(... so now i need to find a group... the politics don't have anything to do with art, they have EVERYTHING to do with distribution martz: I realize, but the way to end that isn't by treating the medium as if it had no value man, but rather to build up even more, so that the words become meaningless when compared to the art itself. war: hehe.. right out from under you :) hiro: amen, isn't that what supreme competition is about? *** pk^ (envision@mercury.networx.net.au) has joined #ascii [pk^] random two bit and shit okay there now w8 for the info... FUCKJ ohjseven: Indeed it is. =) my info thing is fuckin up now let's wrap this log.. *** Toot (to7@hd81-042.hil.compuserve.com) has joined #ascii wise: yeah... heh i wanna join style but i doubt they will let me in... *** k-martz^ has quit IRC (Gone to the beach yew mad haxz0rs!) oj: send me that big bad boy.. =] * jdogg is idle >> [jaha...]:12:20/ (rec:on/page:on) hiro; ok. war: hmm.. there was a new group formed by 3 uk dudes - Nemesis, Karlos & Blue.. perhaps you could goto that ? hopefuly !up war: if its not like UK only or something heh *** G0AT sets mode: +o pk^ (hIRO`81): woaha, 429k.. got your work cut out for you. war - join remorse wise: nah.. that karlos guy is a big ripper aint he? :) *** Toot has quit IRC (Leaving) *** jdogg is now known as jd^idle pk: your a funny guy... just like wk :) i wanna join kiddie^porn *** hIRO`81 has quit IRC (Leaving) wise is in jedit arts though we swap asciis for young girl flix im the dutch dickhead war: hmmm.. . well. . i don't think so.. the original accusations came from Nemesis believe it or not.. so i was real confused when i heard the 3some made a group together.. i thought they all hated each other :) and he is in remorse *** jd^idle has quit IRC (>> agony by Kel7har >>) grr, hmm. yeah i joined remorse :) hahaa wise: heeheh allways a joker... *** OhjSeven changes topic to "My boy was just like me" yeah and wise sucks :) im in remorse and i rule :) war: who's a joker? :) pk: thats the talk that got you kicked off the ascii scene man :) woooo im pissing myself :) nz owoop :) *** hIRO`81 (whirr@eskimo.com) has joined #ascii *** OhjSeven sets mode: +o hIRO`81 fuck oj: resend please.. =] [hIRO`81] Hiro "Knows how to hold a grudge" Protagonist * Sl33P is away: (autoaway) :%: since: 11:23pm(+40s) - (msg:on/page:on) wise: your a joker... pk: if you wanna stay "liked" don't talk shit out your ass like that :) (hIRO`81): i was just wondering if i crashed you. =) *** hIRO`81 has quit IRC (Dead socket) war: ahh.. don't remember saying anything funny but ok, if you say so :) woo, my dcc is nuking hiro *** jUAN-87 (whirr@eskimo.com) has joined #ascii *** OhjSeven sets mode: +o jUAN-87 oj: don't send wise: you said you joined remorse and that was pretty darn funny to me :) (jUAN-87): my dcc is nuking you.. rad, sorta. juan: whirr ? oj: your dcc is fucking my script up war: hehe :) war: really? is there something amusing about remorse? think what you kiwii :) *** jUAN-87 is now known as hIRO`81 juan: chill man (hIRO`81): well, i think i found a back door in revelution. =) hiro: CHILL :) wise: No, I won't chill. hiro: he's a mate of mine.. juan: :)... wise is an amiga artist and any amiga artist joining remorse would be funny... oj: indeed you did juan hiro: lemme go rename the file. war: we used to think that.. but heaps of ami dudes are crossing over now for some reason :) I don't give a fuck.. my group is full of talented people, and if someone wants to make light of their talent, I'll take them on. war: cybergod is in remorse, and tango is in serial :) hiro: you and all of remorse sux0rs!!!!! :) wise: ohh yup ive been away a long time... fucking fan stoped going.. oj: thanks.. ;) wise: wonder what group cdr is gonna join? heheh hiro: np. hehjjejeje more like it !whois pk^ wise: Y'know, you can say it as a joke, and of course I realize you mean it as such, but don't think I'll take that shit from anyone, regardless if he is your mate or not. RESPECT is due, and frankly, it's time some people grew up. +----------(pk^'s info)---- --- -- - - |iNFO: random two bit and shit |cOMMENT: None. |eMAiL: envision@networx.net.au |iDLE-TiME: User is not idle. |uSER-fLAGS: +ox56p + (Type !whelp for help on setting whois info) - war: yeah i wonder.. maybe the leftovers will just make a new group.. altho.. he might go back to E^d. . can't think of anywhere else he'd go.. !whois war-child +----------(war-child's info)---- --- -- - - |iNFO: None. |cOMMENT: None. |eMAiL: None. |uSER-fLAGS: +* |lAST-oN: Wed Dec 31 16:00:00 1969 + (Type !whelp for help on setting whois info) - wise: yeah hiro: ok man.. *respect* And if someone isn't going to have any respect for the pc ascii scene they don't belong in this channel. End of story. pk^: is it skyhigh i'm going to be nhq for, i need the skyhigh packages, not your solo packs. g0at is fucking me around... hiro: WERD one more !whois and someone's getting banned wise: No, I know you got it, and you know I got it back for you, and that's cool, but I've had enough of the bullshit that has come from the likes of war child. ok my info has changed check this out *** pk^ (envision@mercury.networx.net.au) has left #ascii wise: maybe they will make a killer group and invite me to join :) hehehhehe *** pk^ (envision@mercury.networx.net.au) has joined #ascii [pk^] random two bit and shit FUCK@!! but if someones gonna diss' mark ryder becoz they didn't like his style then they just suck :) it wornt work war: yes.. .. maybe ;) *** pk^ (envision@mercury.networx.net.au) has left #ascii (pk^): try it from dcc chat pk^: is it skyhigh i'm going to be nhq for, i need the skyhigh packages, not your solo packs. oj: thanks bro.. I'm gonna go download this.. =] hiro: alright. *** d2-rN^^ (YOURID@d6b23.uk.pi.net) has joined #ascii back in a while.. respect to those with some of their own. *** hIRO`81 has quit IRC (revolution of the mind...) wise: shut up mr style wasn't to shit hot just his styling and design... hiro: what have you got against me? war: i was referring to tinyz.. coz he was dissin mark earlier.. i liked his style.. but its fair enuff if you have ya own opinion.. but shouldn't diss someone about it * Sl33P is away: (autoaway) :%: since: 11:23pm(+40s) - (msg:on/page:on) wise: yeah mr style is cool it just aint all that like people keep going on about though his play station ascii in a&m-back.txt is fucking awesome... heh *** hx has quit IRC (***7tH §p|-|ê®é v2.666***) * War-Child is waiting for u-man to release his next collie... u-mans style is one of the best and just keeps getting better same with b's! *** [CRANE] (c@dialup85-2-15.swipnet.se) has joined #ASCII yeah anyway im off... cya wise... later mate *** [CRANE] (c@dialup85-2-15.swipnet.se) has left #ASCII *** dEVO- has quit IRC (Dead socket) THE DOCTOR SAYS: The alcohol is your enemy! JESUS SAYS: Love your enemy! later boys *** War-Child has quit IRC (Leaving) *** jUAN-87 (whirr@eskimo.com) has joined #ascii *** OhjSeven sets mode: +o jUAN-87 [jUAN-87] Hiro "Knows how to hold a grudge" Protagonist oj: the convo wasn't in that log *** jUAN-87 is now known as hIRO`81 juan: uhh, you checked all 429k of it? ohj: the last couple hundred of pages, and it was like from this afternoon hiro: grr, hole on *** OhjSeven has quit IRC (.#:hamsteR. x- me gone) aight.. *** dEVO- (ichat@ras-21.wineasy.se) has joined #ascii hmmmmmmm anyone know how to do good traces with corel draw? *** phOnz- (kchriste@kristiansand-13.isdn.online.no) has joined #ascii [phOnz-] oOps!ascii / comic!ascii tinyz: no idea bro *** OhjSeven (ohseven@pm156.spectra.net) has joined #ascii [OhjSeven] No, I never sleep.. Quad-P/New Hindu Mafia *** hIRO`81 sets mode: +o OhjSeven (hIRO`81): musta fucked up because the log file was too large. oj: we don't have it then? (hIRO`81): nope. =( * Sl33P is away: (autoaway) :%: since: 11:23pm(+40s) - (msg:on/page:on) ah well.. easy come easy go.. I took screen shots of tinyz's good lines anyways.. ;) heh those will make good fill here or there =] words of wisdom.. ;) (hIRO`81): if i had thought about it, i could probably have just saved my scroll back. *** dEVO- has quit IRC (Leaving) oj: ahh well, I shoulda been logging anyways hiro: what you doing up so early anyway? tinyz: not sleeping is the thing.. End of #ascii buffer Sun May 18 12:42:01 1997 And that is that.. incase you're wonder what my dcc problem was, it seems that my script has a big old hole in it.. I use a private script called Revolution (by MindCrime of Blade), which is a hack of Atlantis (by Deathnite). All has to do with the DCC Resume feature, and no, don't bother me asking how to make the most of the bug so you can go crash everyone using ATL.. cos I won't tell you, and neither will OJ.. so nyah! ;) SAUCE00#ASCII - IBM vs. Ami views on mR! Various People Quad-P Productions 199706 2+`